tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post4942624731168279128..comments2024-03-28T04:08:44.625-06:00Comments on Analogue Hobbies: Entry #1 to the 8th Lead Painters' League: 30mm Goblin War Party Curthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-84098897988478872552014-04-05T11:43:30.056-06:002014-04-05T11:43:30.056-06:00Cheers Francis!Cheers Francis!Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-46878120406855778512014-04-04T10:08:20.462-06:002014-04-04T10:08:20.462-06:00I got it though, bloody good work Curt!I got it though, bloody good work Curt!The Angry Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01227314379603418332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-89333929421639445152014-04-03T13:34:24.018-06:002014-04-03T13:34:24.018-06:00Don't get me wrong, I love dioramas as well, b...Don't get me wrong, I love dioramas as well, but having them in a figure painting competition clouds the water too much in my opinion. If it was clearly stated that staged settings/dioramas are expected (or even mandatory) then there would be no ambiguity and I could determine if I wished to participate. As it stands, I believe the current system handicaps those who do not have the skill, time or inclination to 'stage' their figures.<br /><br />To be clear, I'm really not losing any sleep over this. The LPL is a load of fun but these are just observations I've had since my participation last year.Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-9183734242823716202014-04-03T10:10:22.153-06:002014-04-03T10:10:22.153-06:00I liked your entry a lot - very nice, muted colour...I liked your entry a lot - very nice, muted colours. Alas, strong competition. <br /><br />I completely get your point on the staging of the one image that the LPL encourages, but as an independent bystander, it does result. Some lovely images that you rarely see in the hobby. I started to try my hand at it for some challenge entries, though my efforts were pedestrian at best. It does put me off entering the LPL a little - I'd get smashed I suspect! Phyllionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451215894349113521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-86354183683400516752014-04-02T11:54:26.751-06:002014-04-02T11:54:26.751-06:00Thanks Greg! Yes, I think the LPL is not Burch-Fri...Thanks Greg! Yes, I think the LPL is not Burch-Friendly so it's best you watch me flail away from the sidelines.<br /><br />I used German WWII Fieldgrey as the base of the goblin skintone. It's a great, unspecific, nebulous colour that works well for so many things.Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-63463586882766535242014-04-02T11:50:34.489-06:002014-04-02T11:50:34.489-06:00Yes, I really like his sculpting but he seems to h...Yes, I really like his sculpting but he seems to have been hijacked with work for GRR Martin's 'Game of Thrones' stuff. I think you'll be waiting for a while yet...Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-45325476020515110322014-04-02T11:49:32.284-06:002014-04-02T11:49:32.284-06:00Thanks Ray. My secrets are:
1) No kids
2) Little ...Thanks Ray. My secrets are:<br /><br />1) No kids<br />2) Little sleep<br />3) Espresso<br />Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-43007727084856681462014-04-02T11:10:09.346-06:002014-04-02T11:10:09.346-06:00Great work dude - the painting is top notch. And ...Great work dude - the painting is top notch. And your explanation of the process around the LPL rules reminds me why I could never try to participate in them...<br /><br />Love the skin tone on these guys. It's too bad the GW orcs and goblins have, over time, become more and more cartoonish and brighter and brighter green...Greg Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05090722688748673409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-20013404373725207482014-04-02T08:12:44.897-06:002014-04-02T08:12:44.897-06:00Very nice painting work, Curt. These figures appea...Very nice painting work, Curt. These figures appear to be really good (I have been waiting for some long time ago promises 1/48 WWII figures Tom Meyer had on his workbench...).<br /><br />Wonderful painting work!!!Juan Mancheñohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07761893327024556857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-29477282854620074852014-04-01T18:59:23.067-06:002014-04-01T18:59:23.067-06:00Nice work Curt! I still can't work out how you...Nice work Curt! I still can't work out how you had time to paint during the Challenge, with all the work you had to do on the blog???Ray Rousellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352596392520905197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-32132880456770092402014-04-01T14:05:40.815-06:002014-04-01T14:05:40.815-06:00Yeah, they have a nice old school look about them ...Yeah, they have a nice old school look about them for sure. As they are 30mm they will be significantly larger than the lovely old Ral Partha stuff. Perhaps they could be 'greater orcs' or 'hobgoblins'?Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-37492485561551305772014-04-01T14:03:19.809-06:002014-04-01T14:03:19.809-06:00They do have a troll look about them but at 30mm t...They do have a troll look about them but at 30mm they are too small - unless your adventurers are 20mm!Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-51610597595741397762014-04-01T11:52:32.273-06:002014-04-01T11:52:32.273-06:00Howdy! Great figures. I've been wanting a few ...Howdy! Great figures. I've been wanting a few of these guys to compliment my old Ral Partha Tom Meier goblins/lesser orcs. It's nice to see a few painted, and definitely a good job. I myself have never been a fan of the GW "cartoony" orcs and goblins, and bright green skin has never to my tastes either.<br />Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381131920381130283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-55867185928165911022014-04-01T11:45:04.920-06:002014-04-01T11:45:04.920-06:00These are quite some nice goblins! To be honest th...These are quite some nice goblins! To be honest though at first I took them for trolls. The guys with the drum are especially nice.Moiterei_1984https://www.blogger.com/profile/13808567081733803572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-6692688208956621042014-04-01T11:36:46.065-06:002014-04-01T11:36:46.065-06:00Cheers Dave. I'll run my own race and will enj...Cheers Dave. I'll run my own race and will enjoy the scenery along the way. Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-13958590572206754642014-04-01T11:34:18.081-06:002014-04-01T11:34:18.081-06:00Thanks for your comments and nod of support Andrew...Thanks for your comments and nod of support Andrew!Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-61197064950868596572014-03-31T23:07:40.322-06:002014-03-31T23:07:40.322-06:00The fact you even had the time to submit these is ...The fact you even had the time to submit these is a minor miracle. There did seem to some interesting debate on the rules over on LPL itself. I certainly think the setting of the dioramas will skew voting , and if it's a painting standards contest it should have the same backgrounds with 3 views. <br />Sure though once in your stride you will give a good account.DaveDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11995593231170018770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-13680033269337876622014-03-31T18:39:29.534-06:002014-03-31T18:39:29.534-06:00Thanks Brendon! I have to agree with you about the...Thanks Brendon! I have to agree with you about the Night Goblins. I want to hate them but they are just too infectious and fun to dislike. That being said I still generally like the 'high fantasy' approach to orcs, goblins, elves, etc. Being brought up imagining Tolkien's immersive vision of Middle Earth has completely skewed my perspective for this genre.Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-71871840641350042322014-03-31T18:32:50.581-06:002014-03-31T18:32:50.581-06:00Thanks for your considered comments David.
To be...Thanks for your considered comments David. <br /><br />To be clear, I think Frank's figures deserved the win - no question, hands down. Those adventurers are clearly superior to my goblins. And I don't necessarily begrudge him his use of a dungeon setting. It IS very cool and it follows the stated rules. BUT if our paint work had been closely comparable AND he still got the win I would be hard pressed not to feel 'the rub' as one could never be certain what effect the staging had on voters' impressions.<br /><br />My use of black backgrounds is a self-imposed handicap so I'll smile and take my lumps. In the end I guess it comes down to that I refuse to use magic in a disco dancing contest. :) Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-67091613610041523632014-03-31T18:30:24.195-06:002014-03-31T18:30:24.195-06:00Great looking Goblins Curt. Great colour choices a...Great looking Goblins Curt. Great colour choices and great figure choices. Would be good to see more fantasy products like these rather than GW 32mm cartoony ones. Having said that I like some things they did. The cheeky smaller night goblins but not the muscle orcs.<br />cheersThe Kiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06829184068503627810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-38047895325531621902014-03-31T18:10:19.173-06:002014-03-31T18:10:19.173-06:00Thanks for your comment Edwin. Yes, I think for a ...Thanks for your comment Edwin. Yes, I think for a pure painting contest instituting a monochrome background (white, grey or black) with three decent-sized photos would solve many of these issues. <br /><br />I'm typically not a big fan of 'confrontational' painting competitions. This is why I chose the format I did for the Challenge theme rounds (i.e. open-image, multi-vote, encouraging multiple podium placements, etc.) I like the LPL as it gives me something to participate in that doesn't require Golden Daemon/Euro Militaire skills and it is very well run.Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-3833026037844652632014-03-31T17:58:13.292-06:002014-03-31T17:58:13.292-06:00Cheers Millsy!
Yes, you are right. The rules all...Cheers Millsy! <br /><br />Yes, you are right. The rules allow it but somehow it just doesn't sit right with me. It seems to give an unfair advantage to those who have access to nice terrain and have the photo skills to make the best use of the staging. Then the painting begins to take back seat to the rest of the production.Curthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202047917371080576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-30007199859828706132014-03-31T17:05:51.746-06:002014-03-31T17:05:51.746-06:00You know, even before I got to your beef about the...You know, even before I got to your beef about the backgrounds, I was thinking the same thing looking at Frank's piece. It's beautiful, absolutely, but a big part of the appeal is his shadowbox. If this were a diorama competition, then hey--knock yourself out. But if this is supposed to be a painting competition, then backgrounds should be strictly limited. In particular, when you combine this with the "one picture only" rule, you're pretty much setting it up to have diorama shadowboxes, since you can then have perfect control over combining lighting, staging, background, etc. For all we know, Frank didn't even paint the backs of those minis! ;)<br /><br />I kid on that last point,of course.<br /><br />At any rate, the whole thing reminded me of the series finale of <i>Freaks and Geeks</i>, where the guy wins the disco dancing competition by doing a bunch of magic tricks instead of actually dancing. <br /><br />"They didn't say you were allowed to do magic!"David Larkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04133630988557116729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-61585041152095779812014-03-31T16:14:32.625-06:002014-03-31T16:14:32.625-06:00I think you're right about the Byzantine rules...I think you're right about the Byzantine rules.<br /><br />I think the limitation to one image is an over-compensation after some of the montages from previous years, which seemed to give points to skills in digital manipulation. That being said, then why go down the same path by encouraging elaborate scene-setting? As you say, very distracting for those casting votes.Diplomatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04154642903216207181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113124494092492419.post-91274312973454134732014-03-31T16:09:20.166-06:002014-03-31T16:09:20.166-06:00The "staging" of miniatures in LPL alway...The "staging" of miniatures in LPL always seems contrary to the whole concept to me as well. Still, if anyone can do it then the playing field is at least level I guess. <br /><br />Regardless, these are lovely despite your own misgivings. Good luck for the rest of the comp mate!Millsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17580692168847505881noreply@blogger.com